| An
interview with Robert A. Schuller & Douglas DiSiena
Rick
Burnett: In Chapter 10, you write about detoxifying
your stress. What is the negative impact of stress in our
lives?
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: I don't think you can pick up
any current magazine on health and read anything positive
about the effect of stress on our health. Stress is a negative
thing because we are connected emotionally, mentally and
physically. So what takes place emotionally and mentally
when we are stress is our brains release neuro-chemicals,
which create damage to our body. They actually increase
our free radical production, which we understand to cause
premature heart problems, as well as stroke problems, and
various other toxic things that will take place in our bodies
because of stress. So, we know that stress is a negative
thing and will cause negative consequences to our health.
However, there are things we can do about it that will eliminate
the negative impact of stress. We have to realize
we cannot eliminate stress in our lives - we will have stress
no matter what we do. There is positive stress and negative
stress. Both stresses seem to have similar consequences
in the negative arena, unless you do things to detoxify
the stress.
Rick
Burnett: What do you mean by positive stress - what
is the positive stress?
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: Positive stress could be for example
working out a muscle. Working out and exercise is a positive
stress for muscles. So, stress can be either productive
or destructive.
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: Also, positive stress can be things
that are positive in our lives. For example, we get a new
position in our job, which we've always wanted; and that
change is a stressful change, but a positive stress because
it's what we wanted.
Rick
Burnett: You talk about the two ways you can respond
to stress. Will you elaborate on these two steps? First
you mention responding to stress with love, not fear.
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: Stress in many ways is just a result
of fear. I think fear is the separation from God. If we
were to have the understanding and the ministering of the
Holy Spirit, then we have to remove fear to allow the Father's
love to come and dwell within us to minister to us. So,
we need to try to go toward love and not fear. Many times,
stress is nothing more than a fearful anticipation of a
future event. Instead of fear we should live in FAITH
- which stands for Forget Anxiety,
Instead Trust Him.
Also, another acronym for FEAR is False
Evidence Appearing Real.
Rick
Burnett: One of the other steps you talk about is
Focus on the Present. How does that relive stress?
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: One of the things about the Sermon
on the Mount is that Jesus talks about worry and stress
at least six times. One of the things that He kept talking
about is live today; "forget about tomorrow, because tomorrow
has it's own worries", to paraphrase. He tells us we should
be concerned today. Today we have whatever we have to deal
with in life. Focus on the moment and then fear and stress
will become somewhat diminished. It doesn't mean we won't
have stress; it just means that the effect of stress will
become diminished in our life.
Rick
Burnett: Robert, is there anything you want to add
to that?
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: Yes. One of the things that characterize
the human being is the desire to live in the future instead
of the present. Our minds give us that projection into
the future. As a result of projecting ourselves into the
future, we hope for the positive, but we fear the negative
- because, we can see both positive and negative future
consequences. When it gets out of balance and we no longer
see anything to fearful of - I think that is a dangerous
place to be. We have to realize there are things we need
to plan for in the future. If you have no future consequences,
and if you get a check in the mail - you just go out and
blow the whole thing, you forget you have bills to pay tomorrow.
On the other hand, if all you can think about are the negative
consequences of the future, then you might have a lot of
money in the bank; yet live like a pauper because you're
afraid that you might not have enough money to pay for what
might happen in the future. I'm just using economics as
an illustration for things we do in a host of different
areas of our lives. What we need to do is as we project
and plan for the future we have to do so in a balanced way,
looking at both the negative and positive. We have to hope
in the positive and realize if the negative comes, somehow
God will turn that into good. That is the promise that
we have throughout the scripture. God will care for us
and He will meet our needs. We have to pray like it all
depends on God and work like it all depends on us. We need
to have balance so that we can look at the future in a healthy
and wholesome way. I love the saying that I believe Jackie
Kennedy gave us. "Yesterday is history, tomorrow is
a mystery, today is a gift, that's why we call it the present."
We have to live in the present, to realize that today
is really the only moment we know we are going to have.
Rick
Burnett: I've often heard that "today is our present;
our present is our point of power." That is where we make
our decisions - that is our point of power.
Rick
Burnett: Dr. DiSiena, how much stress is too much stress?
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: Stress is cumulative in nature. In
fact, we have numerical values that researchers have attached
to the amount of stress we have and they can determine what
kind of disease states we will probably get as a result
of that stress. Let me use the illustration that I like.
For those of you who've studied chemistry, you will remember
the saturation effect in the beaker. You would take a beaker
of water and add to it teaspoons of sugar until the point
where you would add the very next grain of sugar and the
whole amount of sugar in solution would come out and you'd
get a layer of sugar laying on the bottom of the beaker.
That's kind of what stress is like. You can add to stress,
and add to stress in our lives and we don't necessarily
feel its effects; until that one additional amount of stress,
takes the whole thing out of solution and we are out of
balance. That is the negative impact that stress can have
on us physically and emotionally. It's kind of like the
example of a person driving in a car and somebody cuts them
off and we call that road rage. So, we have to be careful
and realize that our stresses do accumulate and be aware
of the stresses as they come so we can do something about
them and be proactive.
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: I'd like people to realize that
we actually have a survey in our Possibility Living book
that people can take which will help them determine how
much stress they have in their life. A copy of the book
is available on this Webster. You can take the survey/test
and come to understand how you can lower your stress number!
Also, people need to realize that stress can cause you to
withdraw and shutdown, and become depressed.
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