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An
interview with Robert A. Schuller & Douglas DiSiena
Rick
Burnett: In Chapter 7 you talk about steps we can take
in learning to pray. Will you elaborate on these steps?
You begin by saying: "include moments of silence."
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: I
think that we are in a very loud world. It's hard to go
any place without noise. When people get in their car,
the first thing they do is turn on the radio. Then they
get to work and immediately people are asking them questions,
or they get on the phone. So, times of silence are fairly
rare in our society. I think that before the days of radio,
stereo, and recordings there was naturally much more silent
time than there is in today's world. In the times of the
horse and buggy, you'd have to ride from your farm to the
town with no radio, no buses, no tractors, just the clippty-clop
of the horse and the birds singing and you're alone. What
a fabulous time for prayer, meditation and personal reflection.
For someone to do that today is unheard of! How often do
you have two hours of quiet meditation? For me, one of
the places I have found to do that is to go out on the ocean.
All I have is the "purr" of the engine while I fish and
that's it - it's just me, the water, the fish and God!
I guess people who sail would probably say the same thing
- in fact that may be even quieter because they turn the
engines off! So, I think it's important in our society
to have times of silence in our world today. Possibly in
the evening when you turn the television off and just allow
yourself time to think and then that becomes a time of prayer
and meditation.
Rick
Burnett: That leads us to the next point - "meditate
on what God says."
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: For me, I like daily devotionals.
Every morning I read a daily devotional. It's amazing that
sometimes that devotional is meant just for me that day!
I read the devotional and try to memorize the bible verse
for the day. Typically, I workout in the morning and go
in the steam room for about 15 minutes and the silence and
quiet of the steam room is perfect for me to be in meditation.
It's a perfect atmosphere for me to stop by brain from everything
that's going on in the world and let God's word speak to
me through that bible verse of the day.
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: I think it's important to have
something with which to meditate. Because if all we do
is open our mind to God and allow any thoughts that come
in to be the thoughts of God - there may be things in your
life that come up which may not be divine. So, I'd suggest
giving a little more impetus in bringing divine thoughts
to the mind's forefront. The way I encourage people to
do that is to take a bible verse, or like Doug said, a devotional
which gives a little more direction than simple opening
our minds to whatever thoughts may come our way. So, I
think it's important for us to mediate upon bible verse,
or similar references such as a devotional to help guide
and direct our thoughts.
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: I'm so appreciative of Robert. He
probably won't remember this, but eleven or twelve years
ago when I was in the New Members Class, he taught us exactly
what he just said. Sometimes the word "meditation" has
different connotation - sometimes, new Christians are uncomfortable
with that word. I really appreciated in that New Members
Class Robert's explanation of meditation. He said to get
something biblical, something positive and meditate upon
that, so that the things you allow to come into your mind
are divine and are from God. That way there are not other
outside negativity coming into your brain that you might
act upon. So, if you get divine, positive thoughts, we
will act upon them and live a positive life - it's what
we call Possibility Living!
Rick
Burnett: In Chapter 7 you also talk about the importance
of memorizing a positive verse from the bible.
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: It's a good thing to memorize
scripture! What will happen is if you start meditating
upon a scriptural verse, it won't take long and you'll have
it memorized. It's not uncommon for me to tell the story
of my sister, Carol, because she had memorized the 23rd
Psalm. As young children, my sisters and I memorized a
variety of Psalms and we would recite them at the breakfast
table each morning - one of them was the 23rd
Psalm. When Carol was in a serious motorcycle accident,
she lost all of the blood from her body, yet she was still
conscious when the ambulance picked her up and started giving
her blood. They were amazed that she was conscious! They
concluded that the thing that saved her life and kept her
conscious was the fact that she was reciting the 23rd
Psalm - in effect keeping her mind active and alive!
Rick
Burnett: In the past we've talked about living our
lives A.D.I.O (Above, Down, Inside, Out). Is there a relationship
between prayer and living A.D.I.O.?
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: In terms of prayer, sometimes God
will give you a thought to pray for somebody. Some people
also call that a word of knowledge. God will give you some
information about a particular person and you can pray about
that - which is one aspect of A.D.I.O. God gives us a thought
for a need that someone might have and then you pray with
them, for them - they don't even have to be in your presence,
and you still pray for them. My feeling about A.D.I.O.
is that having scripture and having devotionals, there are
certain times where God will lead you. God speaks to us
in many, many ways. If we listen to God, that is one way
we can have a Possibility-filled life by following His path
and will for our lives - and, that works through A.D.I.O.
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: It's important to realize that
it is through prayer that we get the Above, Down, aspect
taking place in our lives. Without that, we can't do the
Inside, Out aspect! I think I've mentioned the 12141 address
of the Crystal Cathedral. That is the A.D.I.O. principle
- 1-2-1 -, which is prayer. God to us - 1-2-1. That prayer
is for a purpose and a reason. We don't want to be constantly
receiving without giving. If you constantly receive, even
in spiritual matters, and even in gifts of love, what happens
is you become like the Dead Sea that only receives and never
gives. It is the lowest point on earth; therefore the water
just sits there and continues to accumulate all the minerals
and it has come to the point where fish can't live in it
and it's known as the Dead Sea. That's what will happen
to your life if all you do is take and never give.
Rick
Burnett: What role does prayer play in Possibility Living?
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: You have to realize that Possibility
Living is not just a physical thing, it's not just a mental
thing, it is a wholeness thing. It's body, mind, and spirit.
It's living with the possibilities of what we can do when
the power of God flows through us. Obviously, if you don't
have prayer you won't be tapping into the tremendous power
of God to flow through you. You won't have the 1-2-1,
let alone the 4-1! Either that or you're going to have
the 4-1, but there will be nothing coming in, therefore
you have nothing to give, so you'll run dry! So, prayer
becomes a fundamental foundation upon which our living takes
place. Without prayer, Possibility Living just crumbles
and you run out of steam, you run out of energy, you run
out of love, you run out of everything! So, prayer is a
fundamental aspect of Possibility Living.
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: I agree, prayer is getting connected
to the source of Life, the source of Love, the source of
Peace - that is what Possibility Living is all about!
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