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An
interview with Robert A. Schuller & Douglas DiSiena
Rick
Burnett: In Chapter 7 of "Possibility Living" you talk
about Choosing Prayer. Let's begin by having each of you
define prayer.
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller:
Prayer, in my opinion, is communication with God. That
is the foundation upon which we have a relationship with
our Creator, our God. I was listening to a documentary
on the Dali Lama recently. The most interesting thing about
this documentary was it said that the Dali Lama spends the
first six hours of every day in prayer. Can you imagine
that? He gets up at 3:00 a.m. and prays until 9:00 a.m.
That's the way he begins every day! So, for him, his understanding
of a relationship with God, is prayer. In this documentary
he was asked, "Are you God," because some people look at
him as if he were God. He laughed, and said "that's ridiculous,
of course I'm not God."
What
we have to realize is that our relationship with God first
and foremost is based upon prayer. Then, through that prayer
we come to a greater understanding of who God is and our
relationship to Him. So, prayer is how we develop a relationship
with God.
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: The only thing that I would like
to add is that I know God is a relational being. Part
of God sharing that relationship with us is that communication
like you are talking about. For me, prayer allows us to
have that relationship with our Father in heaven and Jesus.
Rick
Burnett: What does the Bible say about prayer? Is
there a model prayer in the Bible and what does it say?
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: The model prayer in the Bible is
the prayer that Christ used to teach His disciples. The
disciples came to Him and said, "Lord, teach us to pray."
And, with that we have the Lord's Prayer - Our Father, who
art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy
will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this
day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts as we forgive
our debtors. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us
from evil. For thine is the kingdom, the power, and the
glory forever, Amen. That's the Lord's Prayer with which
most people are familiar. I think most people are familiar
with it. Many churches, including the churches that I've
pastored, recite it on a weekly basis, with rare exception.
There have been outlines written about the Lord's Prayer,
which share how to pray the Lord's Prayer taking an hour
of time. For example, you focus a certain amount of time
on the phrase: Our Father, and what that means and understanding
and worship to God. For example, taking the phrase "give
us this day our daily bread", you'd think about your daily
needs and you meditate and pray about what you need for
that day. So, Jesus did teach us how to pray by giving
us the Lord's Prayer.
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: The Lord's Prayer is a model for us.
I believe we can insert into that model prayer, from our
heart, whatever God gives us to say.
Rick
Burnett: Are there different methods of prayer? Is
any one method better than another?
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: In the Chapter that Dr. Schuller wrote
he talks about the experiences of praying in different locations.
In fact, I was going to ask him a question. He writes about
people who put their prayer requests written on pieces of
paper in the Wall.
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: Yes, that's in the Holy Land.
According to Jewish Law, it would be the most heinous of
sacrileges to step upon the tablets that Moses brought from
Mount Sinai. Those tablets were originally set in the Ark
of the Covenant, which was carried through the wilderness
and ultimately to Israel and placed in the Holy of Holies
on the Temple Mount. In 72 A.D., Titus came and destroyed
the temple area - this is historic record - and, those tablets
and the Ark of the Covenant were lost on the Temple Mount
at that time. It is believed that those tablets are on
what is currently the Dome of the Rock or the Mosque in
Israel. Now, the old ancient walls of the Temple still
exist. There are parts of the wall that still exist - you
can see them.
They
are blocks of stone, which many of them are 4 feet square
and up to 12 feet long, or more. They are huge blocks of
stone. Each one is beveled and they are stacked together
perfectly, there is no mortar - just the weight of the stones
one on top of the other holding them in place. This was
a huge building. You can go there today and see some of
the tunnels that they have excavated down the side. When
you see what is known as the Wailing Wall in Israel, what
you are looking at is what was the outside wall of the Temple
area in the time of Christ. There is a tunnel there where
you can see this excavated section.
The
bottom of the Temple area from where you're standing is
actually about 40 feet below where you're standing. That's
part of the rubble from the Temple being thrown out there
and through centuries of rubble being thrown in there, you'll
be standing about 40 feet above the original ground level.
It is believed that those tablets of stone are buried on
the other side of the wall. So when they are at the Wailing
Wall, what they are trying to do is get as close to the
Holy of Holies and as close to the Temple Mount as they
possibly can without desecrating the Law - so that is the
Wailing Wall.
That
is as close to the Holy of Holies as they can get. Then,
just to get a little bit closer, they will take a piece
of paper on which they've written a prayer and they will
stick that piece of paper in the cracks of the wall - that
way they can get a little bit closer! It's become known
as "God's Mailbox!" So, when I went there, I wrote a prayer
on a piece of paper and stuck it in the cracks! You'll
see many people, Jews and Christians alike doing that!
It's just another means and way of prayer.
I believe
all prayer is positive and good when it's focused towards
our Creator, our God, as opposed to another human being,
or some force that we try to manipulate. If we understand
that there is one God, no matter what He is called, rather
it be Allah, Buddha, or Jesus Christ - there is one God,
it doesn't matter what you call him. However, there is
only one truth - and that truth remains the same and I have
a perception of what that truth is and I will live and die
by that truth.
That
truth happens to be founded in the Bible and therefore,
my perception of God is that He is a loving, gracious God
who extended Himself in the form of a human being called
Jesus Christ. As a result of that, Jesus Christ told us
about Him. So, for me then, prayer takes on the manner
of taking on the triune nature of God; i.e., Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit.
Rick
Burnett: The Scripture tells us without ceasing; what
does that mean?
Dr.
Douglas DiSiena: Well, for me, not only does it mean
when I'm at Church on Sunday, or in the morning when I start
the day, it means what I do on a daily basis. During my
day, when I'm seeing patients, I'm in constant prayer with
each person that I lay my hands on. Before we started taping
this I said a short prayer, or before I go into a meeting
I say a short prayer. There are all kinds of possibilities
and opportunities for us to pray short prayers to God.
So, I encourage people to be constantly in prayer.
Dr.
Robert A. Schuller: For me, it means a state of mind,
where we have a relationship with God, which is in an ongoing
process. It doesn't mean that I'm going to spend 6 hours
in prayer and mediation and don't disturb me in that time.
Instead, of I'm going to be in a constant state of mind
of the presence of God. So, everything I do, all my actions
from the beginning of the day to the end of day, are in
effect a prayer, because of my awareness of God and my constant
ability to shoot questions and answers in communication
with Him. That's what praying without ceasing means to
me!
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